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hello to you and introduce you to this

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calls were fantastic this month we

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off in the united states with joe and

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ohio thank you andy i appreciate being

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yeah no it's good to have you thanks for

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calling in listen the floor is yours

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what do you want to talk about

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well i don't know if you're old enough

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to remember the old marvel comics what

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to remember the comics i

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knew about the series when the anime

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did you not know about that and i was

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like no i'd never heard of it but yeah

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i'm aware of it now yeah well my first

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my first point is my brain works in

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what-ifs and this whole phenomenon is a

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big what if

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the nuclear connection it seems to be a

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pretty strong connection over the years

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that they're warning us about something

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or trying to stop it or doing something

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a way to split the atom in in this

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phenomenon never did

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my thoughts on it is that

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they they don't necessarily have this ma

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same technology maybe we are on the

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right path to something

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and we've done it in a very raw way

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and they're kind of looking going okay

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you've got the right idea but you're

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maybe not quite there yet and they're

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you know what was really interesting i

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think you look at this and go because

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they must be so much more advanced than

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us then they have anything we have but a

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thousand times better or they don't need

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it anymore and i even talked recently on

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one of the pods about you know why would

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these craft need windows and i was like

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well you know why not it's very again

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it's that human thing isn't it of well

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they shouldn't need windows they should

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have two-way viewing or whatever they

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need for that kind of stuff but again

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studying definitely i think it's more

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observational when it comes to nuclear

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stuff i think it is that old analogy of

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the kids have found the matches right um

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that dan talked about on the recent

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podcast you know the gorilla and the zoo

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with the key yeah it doesn't know it's

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got the key to do what it's going to do

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key and they're wondering are the is the

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gorilla going to figure out how to get

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the key in the lock and are they going

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about with the key and sit and brush the

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hair with it and throw it at people and

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and use it in the wrong way sure sure

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that it kind of brings me to my my

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second point you made the comment and i

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heard your podcast about the windows in

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the in the craft

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what i see is a a big problem and we

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don't know any better because we don't

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know what we don't know but we have to

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assign human assumptions to everything

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we assume this is something with eyes

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that could even see out a window

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um we assume that there's something in

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some of these crafts at least where they

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could look out a window

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there's always as in any investigation

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there's a who what when where why

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and we know some of the wares and we

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know some of the winds

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but we instantly seem to jump to the why

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why are they here why are they doing

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what they're doing

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and we don't even know the what yet

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um as far as we know these these

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tic tacs and and the go fast could be

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some kind of an intergalactic insect

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that's just flying around and not doing

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anything

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you know we but we don't know we can't

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that's all we have to go on is our human

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assumptions and what we know

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but we could be so far off

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i think you're right on that and that's

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where for me something like the the

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application of artificial intelligence

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could be massive in this yes because i i

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i saw someone mention the ai is only as

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good as the program that writes it but

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that the best ai can learn and evolve

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which is a scary thing in itself we've

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all seen terminator and those kind of

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the practical applications of it is that

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something it can be looking for

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something that we aren't it can find

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patterns within you know i think tom de

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long talked about biblical texts and

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various religious texts going through

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the millennia where it could scan

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through it and just something we're

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totally missing

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or it could highlight something

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altogether of you know what here's

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something it's found and all of this

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stuff which points to x

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and and that's that you take away that

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kind of human bias don't you because

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it's fun speculation like you talk about

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the window stuff maybe the windows are

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for our benefit

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yeah like i mean the tic tac from what

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we hear had no

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um obvious signs of you know like a

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porthole or an exhaust or anything it

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was just a smooth shell there's

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whether it had the two little legs

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underneath i've seen some artists

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impressions where they've got four

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it's got the two one front one at the

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back but then i've heard otherwise that

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it just had the smooth kind of shell

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so again it's a case of maybe some of

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these craft

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that are occupied have windows for our

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benefit

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maybe they've got windows for a purpose

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that are just totally

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not what we would think maybe they are

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even maybe they aren't windows maybe

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it's something else but to us it looks

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like a window but it will serve some

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totally

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other function that's just so incredible

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that we can even think that oh that's

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what it's for yeah we could be missing a

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totally basic law of physics that we

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aren't even aware of that could allow us

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to do everything they're doing very

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simply and we just are completely

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unaware of it

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that's it we're stuck with that kind of

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a human problem that we have to go oh

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well we would do this so why wouldn't

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they it's and it goes it goes the other

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way as well though like i've mentioned

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several times about oh people argue but

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why would these craft crash well why not

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why does that have to be infallible just

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because the technologies

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are seemingly so much further ahead than

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others i mean they're not putting petrol

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or diesel on these things correct

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what we don't know what could or

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couldn't go wrong with them

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yep if it's something manufactured

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there's always a chance of failure

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exactly and like you say maybe some of

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these things are are some sort of

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biological entity i think john talked

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about that with me recently as well on

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the pod you said some kind of

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intergalactic insect why not and why not

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that would explain the behavior the

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erraticness like i talked about like a

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fly when you're trying to swat a fly and

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no matter how many times it gets near

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you and annoys you it moves out the way

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yeah and that's what these tic-tacs seem

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to be able to do no matter how close to

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get to them they they can shoot off at

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incredible speeds and

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maybe they see things differently so i'm

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i'm with you on that one yeah

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yeah

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and i do have one more point i want to

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respect your time here

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and you don't have to answer this if you

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don't want to but you're you're getting

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a big enough following and i know you

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get a lot of praise but what are some of

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the criticisms that you get do you see a

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common a common denominator in some of

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the criticisms you get

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um

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honestly other than being a mute

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yeah um

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nah people are pretty i mean i quite

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enjoy checking some of the youtube

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comments as that's taken off and it's

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like someone said the other day it was a

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it was a pointless pointless podcast

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meaningless podcast

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i just said thank you i agree um

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but you're never going to please

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everyone honestly for me it tends to be

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the the accent which is is it doesn't

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that generally doesn't bother me nothing

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tends to bother me um i think that's

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where most of the trolls tend to leave

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it alone because they'll see myself and

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dan will engage with people in the chats

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and it's just like look we'll talk to

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you it's fine you know you don't have to

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like it thanks for spending the time

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listening or watching but

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any criticisms tend to be can't

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understand the host but if people stick

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with it they tend to be okay after a

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i am aware i talk very quickly and

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everything and it's just a scottish

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thing it's our accent um

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but i'm kind of slowing that down for

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for people so and i'm doing it purposely

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now as i talk to you because i'm aware

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of it but when you get is i think it's

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natural when you get excited about

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anything especially this topic and you

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get into the floor conversation you

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start to pick up pace and like you're

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going back and forward joe and i start

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to come back on you you come back on me

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and it's just natural that happens in

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conversation but yeah i've been honestly

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really surprised that

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the lack of

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lack of criticism in that sense like i'm

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always open to feedback and and all that

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kind of stuff but i think the podcast is

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the way it is i think it's worked well

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because there's been a lot of it i

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haven't planned massively and stuff has

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worked well because it's been organic or

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it's grown and there's been things i've

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started that i've dropped after one one

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attempt or one show because ah it didn't

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work i didn't feel it or whatever um but

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no i

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i'm open for for any feedback or

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improvements and stuff like that but

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it's is trying to keep the podcast away

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the way i think it should be in the way

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i kind of do it and it's

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i suppose the really cheesy one would be

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true to myself as people would say but

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um but yeah nah any criticism from you

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no not at all and actually i think

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you're an excellent interviewer and

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sometimes you're interviewing some

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pretty big guns and uh and you do you do

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an excellent job at it

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thanks and you know what i try and make

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sure i do it differently because

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especially in this community there's a

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lot of really great channels and and

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different channels like you've got like

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project unity you've got unidentified

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celebrity review christina gomez

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somewhere in the skies witness citizens

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so there's all these different shows and

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a lot of them have their own styles

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and at the same time we can all end up

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with the same guest

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and i always try and make sure that if

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people are listening to

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an interview so in a couple of weeks

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i've got john ramirez who's currently

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doing the rounds a little bit you know

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former cia i've got questions and i'm

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i'm a bit curious about a few different

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aspects of the guy himself um but he's

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done an interview with sean rash he's

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done one with project unity i like to

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make sure that when people listen to

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mine they've not heard it before correct

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and that's that's good with anyone so

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because that's what i would want to hear

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and that was one of the reasons i

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started the podcast so so yeah it seems

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to work and and thanks for for saying

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i'm a good interviewer it's i'm just

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nosy and curious so

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that's where it starts but good i won't

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take up any more of your time

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joe it's been awesome speaking with you

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make sure you call in again next time

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we're going to move over from joe and

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ohio now to james and hastings james

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welcome back how are you i'm doing good

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how are you

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excellent good to hear from you listen

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james the floor is yours what do you

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want to talk about

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so i think um

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gravitating from your recent uh meet up

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in london with the established lou

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elizondo

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um

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it's sort of emphasizing a thought that

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i've had recently the

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the the need for real meetups with

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people um not necessarily with the the

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celebrities like lou but just with the

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the people from you know twitter and

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anybody else who is interested in the

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subject

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um it's just important to meet up in

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person

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um i think the problems that we have on

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twitter like for instance uh the the

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trolls the the arguments and anything

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else going on which just takes up time

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unnecessarily this just disappears when

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you're mostly in person you you have the

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ability to filter very quickly based on

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face-to-face interaction and i think

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that's that's very important

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um yeah so i think going forwards in the

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future if if there's some possibility of

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doing regular meetups we'll we'll have

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to work out how exactly

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um but i think it's a probably of great

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benefit to the community in the long

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term to actually meet up with people

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i absolutely agree with you um the the

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audience for the podcast is is quite

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split usually it's like more than half

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is based in the us and obviously i am

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not uh and we've got a good chunk of the

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audience then based in the uk i know

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definitely in the immediate future for

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the podcast and for for the gents at uap

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media we're looking to arrange some

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things for next year where people can

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come and meet not not just us but meet

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each other um it was really nice when i

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was in london last week yeah i got to

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meet ryan sprague and lou and the guys

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from the group but um some of the

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listeners came and met me who were based

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in london uh for a coffee while i was

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waiting on my train as well and that was

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really nice and like you see it's just

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meeting people face to face and and

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seeing them and talking through stuff

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and it's really good to do that and i

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think you're right it would maybe

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alleviate a lot of the

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the tensions that sometimes happen and

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people build up not necessarily

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characters but it builds up online

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behind 280 character you know texts

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and people can lose a lot of context and

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messages and i am all for healthy debate

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and i've had a few times where people

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say i'm really sorry to argue and i'm

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like don't be it doesn't have to be an

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argument you can just debate and go back

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and forward and you know it's

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interesting because that's how you can

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learn and change and form a new opinion

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um or you can just agree to disagree and

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go do you know what you think this i

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think this then brilliant but i think

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with things getting more back to normal

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i think there'll be a lot more meetups

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next year i know there's a few events

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already planned for the uk

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it would be great personally if if i

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could get something on myself i would

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like to do that but we'll we'll see

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that's

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early days for all that stuff but

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there's a few things i'll be looking to

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get along to next year that other people

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are putting on even if we don't get to

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do something ourselves and it'd be again

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great to meet people face to face yeah

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couldn't agree more um second point um

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i noticed recently or it occurred to me

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that the the the frequency of cancers

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among

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people who have been in very close

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contact with

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something ufo related seems to be a

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little bit too high and this is

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dangerous because um sort of thinking

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about

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uh just taking up you know things that

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you've picked up from twitter or

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elsewhere is not necessarily real

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information

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but off the top of my head there was

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chase who you interviewed who was a

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mufon investigator

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one of the encounters in the skinwalkers

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book recently

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they were describing the person who had

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cancer as well as a result of the the

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blue orbs

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encounter

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um

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like a biotech engineer yeah yes this

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guy and

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um if i remember correctly i think

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stephen greer had a personal friend who

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also died of some

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i don't know how rare the cancer was

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just from a statistical point of view it

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would be very interesting if we could

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get a little bit more data on that and

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that's difficult because it's personal

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medical data but

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rare cancers can be extraordinarily rare

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in the order of you know one in a

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million or

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or even less frequent than that

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it'd be very interesting if there was in

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fact a collection of people who say that

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they've had encounters which were

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particularly close

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and they've had particularly rare forms

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of cancer it would be

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quite easy to do the statistics on that

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and work out that that was highly

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unlikely it would be a very interesting

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data point if it was possible to gather

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this data

553
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yeah i think like you touched on there

554
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,160
with the the skinwalker ranch uh

555
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,000
incident not necessarily it was on the

556
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,240
ranch but it wasn't involved in the book

557
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:06,640
uh the the biotech engineer like you say

558
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:09,520
got a rare form of of cancer luckily it

559
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:11,919
was treatable um you've got patient

560
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:13,679
confidentiality which is always going to

561
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,320
affect these things but i think when you

562
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,480
hear them talking about a governmental

563
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:20,720
level you know biological effects being

564
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:22,720
one of the observables now

565
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,080
that's what they're looking at people

566
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,480
getting these illnesses from it

567
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,240
and it got me thinking james i i was

568
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:30,640
watching last night uh a documentary

569
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,320
that's coming out soon and one of the

570
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:34,240
talking heads was talking about

571
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:36,880
experiencers and you know all these all

572
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,679
these

573
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,679
wonderful experiences people have had

574
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:41,919
about going on board craft and in

575
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:45,039
meeting beings and orbs and all this all

576
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:46,960
that stuff very much on the love and

577
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:49,280
light side of things

578
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,440
but it makes you wonder are any of these

579
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,520
people getting ill as well because what

580
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:55,679
we are hearing is that whether it's

581
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,400
intent it's meant to happen or not

582
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,400
people do get ill from

583
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:02,240
contact or close contact with these

584
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,280
objects

585
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,200
so there's a real question there for me

586
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,280
of why do some people tend to get ill

587
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,919
and some people don't

588
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:11,760
the obvious one would be are some of

589
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,120
these people who are claiming to have

590
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,520
these experiences who aren't getting ill

591
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,000
are they all being completely genuine

592
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,240
is it a case for when you're having

593
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,400
experiences or not necessarily

594
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,320
abductions but you know a positive that

595
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,760
someone claims have been on board a

596
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:27,440
craft and have gone to a different star

597
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,400
system as a case of if it's

598
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,720
a subconscious thing then there's no

599
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,240
physical effects but when it's the

600
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,480
physical body then is that when people

601
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:38,320
start to get ill because our our own

602
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:40,880
bodies can't handle whatever it is that

603
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,760
maybe makes these craft go or

604
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,600
just traveling through the universe or

605
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:47,440
universities so there's a lot of

606
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:49,520
questions to go on and i suppose you can

607
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:52,080
go down a massive rabbit hole with it um

608
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,600
maybe just different beings different

609
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,440
craft to have different effects on us

610
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,400
but

611
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,640
what do you think yourself

612
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:00,400
i i don't know but i think it'd be

613
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:04,320
interesting to to separate them because

614
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,880
potentially the intent of the phenomenon

615
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,880
could be related to whether you are in

616
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:12,640
danger or not if they're if they're

617
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,600
doing the the mental based sort of

618
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,600
extraction of your consciousness and

619
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,360
taking you off somewhere else

620
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,760
and doing that presumably you're not at

621
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,520
risk of getting cancer or something like

622
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,640
that

623
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,720
the other encounters where you're

624
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:29,280
actually interacting very closely

625
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,080
is that a different type of

626
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:33,760
person who is doing that

627
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,559
using the term loosely um

628
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:38,640
maybe the intent is different

629
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,679
so i don't know it's interesting

630
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:43,440
sure and you had one more point uh

631
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,320
regarding a book is that correct james

632
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,679
so i think

633
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,960
i've thought this for a little while now

634
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,640
i think that it's kind of the time where

635
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:53,440
we we need to get a good coffee book out

636
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:56,400
there somehow something with potentially

637
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,840
lots of images and and glossy text but

638
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,840
something that might be a little bit

639
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,919
more applicable to the general person

640
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,240
sitting in in a coffee store

641
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,919
uh or

642
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,039
um

643
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,039
you know your local book publisher

644
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:12,480
something

645
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,840
which gives you a good high level

646
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,159
overview something which doesn't go too

647
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,919
deep and something which focuses on the

648
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,559
main facts that we can generally verify

649
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:25,520
fairly obviously and easily it's things

650
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,640
which are sort of more generally

651
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,480
accepted than necessarily going down too

652
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:30,799
much for the woo subject but it sort of

653
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,760
feels like we need this sort of book um

654
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,840
if there's somebody out there who's in

655
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:37,280
the right position to do this sort of

656
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,000
thing

657
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,400
um i'm offering my time to to help put

658
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,159
that together in some way

659
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,280
um and you know publish that i know um

660
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,039
graham for instance he's put together

661
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:49,760
the the wonderful foo fighters book uh

662
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,559
and it's amazing but it's very very deep

663
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,559
it's very detailed and the time

664
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,480
investment is very high

665
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:58,400
and i think generally in this subject if

666
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,520
you want to get into it the time

667
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,760
investment is still really high

668
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,520
and to kind of get this applicable to a

669
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:06,400
wider audience it needs to have a kind

670
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:07,120
of

671
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,960
20-minute deep dive into the subject

672
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:12,480
without going too deep

673
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,360
um

674
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,280
so i'm just putting it out there and uh

675
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,039
maybe maybe we can start something i

676
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,590
yeah so so that that's a really

677
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,000
interesting one that's something i i

678
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,919
will never claim to be a writer or

679
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,240
anything like that but i've had an idea

680
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,000
not too dissimilar to what you're

681
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,880
talking about um that i reckon i could

682
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,039
put together and it wouldn't be anything

683
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,880
like the books that we see released by

684
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,039
you know graham or ryan sprague or these

685
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,000
types of authors but something aimed at

686
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,080
people getting into the subject

687
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,840
easy to pick up and put down you see

688
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,240
that kind of coffee book type a coffee

689
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,000
table type book where they can flick

690
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,640
through it having a coffee you know even

691
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,840
you get those books that people keep in

692
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,440
their toilet that they can sit and

693
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,279
guests can have a flick through as well

694
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,840
that's not massively detailed but it's a

695
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:02,400
nice introduction to the subject and

696
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,159
something they can pick through so but

697
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,840
yeah it's an interesting idea if someone

698
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,760
else gets that out then i'm sure there's

699
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,760
room for plenty of them but i've i've

700
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,279
had a couple of ideas myself on that

701
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,480
james so it's interesting you bring that

702
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,080
one up

703
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:16,400
it's actually the uh it's the best

704
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,110
yeah but listen james great speaking

705
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:25,039
with you and uh make sure you call on

706
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:26,720
again next time okay mate

707
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,360
thank you very much

708
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,679
thanks to james and hastings we're

709
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,840
heading back over to the united states

710
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,919
and we have carl joining us carl how are

711
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,120
we doing today

712
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,279
i'm well andy thank you how are you i am

713
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,880
very well almost like we're doing this

714
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,240
for the second time after a slight

715
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,159
technical issue isn't it you know me i'm

716
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,240
always want to be honest but listen uh

717
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,039
carl i had my eyebrows raised on your

718
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,640
submission for the call-in because you

719
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,919
mentioned you want to talk about

720
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,799
thunderstorms time portals and creating

721
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,200
more bubbles in a lab that's uh that's

722
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,559
some interesting stuff to be talking

723
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,880
about so the floor is yours what do you

724
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,880
want to talk about on that first

725
00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:04,400
yeah thanks andy i

726
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,870
um

727
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,159
[Music]

728
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:07,919
you know hey love the show thanks for

729
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,520
having me back on so time uh time

730
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,360
dilation warp bubbles and thunderstorms

731
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,679
uh so a couple weeks ago

732
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:18,159
i was on the apec conference the

733
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,440
advanced propulsion engineering

734
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,440
conference and the gentleman named david

735
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:23,600
perez came on and talked about his

736
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,669
with warp bubbles and um and a device

737
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:31,840
that is seemingly um

738
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,880
moving uh moving through space uh just

739
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:36,559
using electricity

740
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:38,960
so his research started out with some

741
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,159
observations about uh thunderstorms

742
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:44,240
specifically when two thunderstorms

743
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:45,520
collide

744
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,559
and some historical accounts of pilots

745
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:50,880
experiencing time dilation

746
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,360
uh when they fly through

747
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,480
um

748
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,400
basically a tunnel

749
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:59,120
that forms when um these thunderstorms

750
00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:00,240
collide

751
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,360
and

752
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,080
what david realized was that these

753
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:06,559
thunderstorms are producing antimatter

754
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,799
uh which uh he seemingly uh has evidence

755
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:13,360
for um through nasa

756
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:17,039
and um he took that research um kind of

757
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,559
tracking i should say it's really

758
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,640
interesting he actually correlated these

759
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,640
events with um

760
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,200
with solar wind and high-speed solar

761
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,919
winds and so it's just even fascinating

762
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,360
to think about the idea that

763
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,200
thunderstorms are tapping into solar

764
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:33,520
winds and and maybe that's where all of

765
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,640
this

766
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,960
power magnitude that is is necessary

767
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,480
it's coming from

768
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:41,120
um and so he took this idea and back to

769
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,559
the lab and

770
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,520
and created a device that replicated the

771
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,679
fields of the thunderstorms

772
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:50,080
and has produced experimentally a warp

773
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,200
bubble

774
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:52,880
that will

775
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:56,240
compress space in front of the device

776
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,960
and pull the device forward

777
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,919
that's

778
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,640
a little bit uh you're sound much more

779
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,880
scientifically astute than myself but

780
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,640
when bob lazar talked about how the

781
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,520
crafts move that it's the space in front

782
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,279
of them is pushed down he used the

783
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,960
bowling ball analogy of putting your

784
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,960
fist in front of a bowling ball and the

785
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,799
object would fall into the space but

786
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,559
keep falling into the space because the

787
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,799
space is continually being moved in

788
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,640
front of it and it's interesting i know

789
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,720
you said it was a very very small amount

790
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,120
the object moved but i've seen videos

791
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,120
recently as well where they're using

792
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,200
like sound waves to suspend water

793
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,200
droplets in there and you see the water

794
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:36,880
droplets being placed on top of each

795
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,919
other and they hover and do you suppose

796
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,840
we're at the very early stages or the

797
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,080
infancy of tapping into this sort of

798
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,919
technology that these craft may be using

799
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,720
is that what you're thinking so yeah is

800
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,880
this man-made i think there's a a

801
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,559
definite possibility that it could be

802
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,600
you know i think that if if these are uh

803
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,080
if the laws of physics that tic-tacs are

804
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,880
using is accessible in our universe

805
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,600
then eventually it will be manmade and

806
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,600
um if people have been

807
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,679
thinking about these ideas and these

808
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:09,279
laws of physics for

809
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,320
more than

810
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,480
10 years then yeah i think there's a

811
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,919
really good chance that somebody

812
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:17,039
probably has cracked this um

813
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:17,840
so

814
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,559
we're probably playing catch up

815
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,080
how do we get to that point though do

816
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,600
you think because if you've got someone

817
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,200
like david who's managing to create

818
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,600
these at that very base level

819
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,520
surely you've then got

820
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,760
and forget the the conspiracy side of it

821
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,880
that the government's got this

822
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,360
technology why doesn't someone like elon

823
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,919
musk who clearly doesn't care about

824
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,760
governments and all that kind of stuff

825
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,520
who is sending these rockets up into

826
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,919
space still with a level of fuel and all

827
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,600
at a great expense

828
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:47,600
why doesn't he do you think looking at

829
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,320
this

830
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:51,679
sort of you know propulsion

831
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,640
well

832
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:54,799
i don't know uh maybe he is and he's not

833
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,440
talking about it um i think that's

834
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,159
certainly reasonable but i think that

835
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:01,520
the realm of what they have is

836
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,559
functional

837
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,399
in terms of rocketry far exceeds where

838
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,679
we're at right now so if they need

839
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,520
something to utilize

840
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,399
they have rockets that are they're

841
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,279
making advances on and perfecting um and

842
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,360
i i actually think that that no matter

843
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,640
the scenario

844
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,720
i think for long distance travel you're

845
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:20,399
probably gonna need rockets uh for

846
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,520
dealing with

847
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,480
uh you know my new you know fine-tuned

848
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,480
uh things

849
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:28,159
um and

850
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,039
you know

851
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,559
even if gravity propulsion is possible

852
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,679
you're probably gonna need a combination

853
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,760
of both technologies

854
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,360
yeah not a really good shot some really

855
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,360
good points as well carl um thanks for

856
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,440
persisting with the tech issues um good

857
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:40,720
speaking with you and i'll speak to you

858
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,870
we are carrying on with the colin show

859
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,640
dan has joined me now for the call-in

860
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,200
dan welcome to the podcast eventually

861
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,880
you you almost caught me on mute then

862
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,880
but uh where i move my mouse quick it's

863
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,200
nice to be here oh almost on me well

864
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,200
done dan was seeing the eternals this

865
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,720
afternoon we'll have that conversation

866
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,399
another time because joining us on the

867
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,520
line is phil from malibu california phil

868
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,279
welcome to the podcast

869
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,120
thanks for having me guys

870
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:13,279
it's very good to have you um you may

871
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,080
hear

872
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,600
and i'm talking to you phil and the

873
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,600
listeners listening to this now some

874
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,520
popping in the background as we record

875
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,360
this we are right slap bang in the

876
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,760
middle of fireworks night in the uk so

877
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,760
uh myself and dan have decided to record

878
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,520
at a time when the whole of the uk are

879
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,919
letting off loud explosions in the air

880
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,279
so apologies if you hear that in the

881
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,360
background but phil listen the floor is

882
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,440
yours what do you want to talk about

883
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,360
well first of all i want to thanks thank

884
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,200
you guys because you have a great a

885
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:41,440
great show um i'm one of those people

886
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,559
that

887
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,640
never believed in

888
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,799
ufos i thought anybody was abducted was

889
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,039
probably on drugs of some sort

890
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,720
and you know just

891
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,440
never never really did the research uh

892
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,520
had never even heard of

893
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,519
a cattle mutilation

894
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,480
until a few months ago uh

895
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:02,240
and my brother dad they hadn't heard of

896
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,840
it you know and you start asking about

897
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,320
this and and so i appreciate what you

898
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:08,240
guys are doing you guys bring a very

899
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,440
common

900
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,760
sense uh logical

901
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,320
uh take to the table so i appreciate it

902
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,840
uh thank you

903
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,600
the the question i want one of the

904
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,519
things that

905
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,000
i i think is so intriguing are are the

906
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,240
facts and i like that you guys stay on

907
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,799
the facts of

908
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,880
and i you know like to know what's hoax

909
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,720
and what isn't but i think what was so

910
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,399
intriguing about the nimitz

911
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,480
episode and i you know you hear about

912
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,480
the tic tac and the shape and things

913
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:37,840
like that

914
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,640
the the question i have i have a ten

915
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,960
questions but i'll start with one

916
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,159
is

917
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,120
that the the point that kevin day was so

918
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:49,360
amazed by and it's what david fravor

919
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,120
said made his hair stand on end

920
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,919
was the fact that after he did his

921
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:57,919
downward spiral

922
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,360
and kind of engaged the tic tac

923
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,840
that it bolted and went due west and

924
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:06,159
it's kind of off the coast of where i

925
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,240
live and we i know what where it went

926
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:13,279
the reports are it went

927
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,240
two to five seconds it traveled 60 miles

928
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,320
okay but more importantly so if you do

929
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,559
the math it's a hundred to two hundred

930
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,960
thousand miles an hour

931
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,039
so i wanna know if those facts were

932
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:30,159
right the other thing was the crazy part

933
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,440
is that it went to a predetermined area

934
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,480
that only a handful of people in the top

935
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,480
parts of the military on the top you

936
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,360
know the leaders of the ship knew about

937
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:45,440
so the question was

938
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,559
was the information in his brain

939
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:51,279
or was it pre-programmed into the plane

940
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,720
because

941
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,720
common sense tells you

942
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,600
it read either his brain or he knew

943
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,320
where to go or it read the computer

944
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,799
program that was pre-programmed in the

945
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,320
plane

946
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:07,279
and that is do you know offhand if it

947
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,000
was a pre-programmed destination or if

948
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,399
it was just in his mindset where he knew

949
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,320
he was going next

950
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:16,159
yeah so i believe

951
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,519
and it's something that's brought up

952
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,360
quite often phil and as a big talking

953
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:21,919
point in this whole whole event the cap

954
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,519
point had been used for a few days at

955
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,399
least before this happened

956
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,440
so from my point of view i would suspect

957
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,000
that it was a learned behavior and the

958
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,320
objects knew they were going there i

959
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,960
don't think could be wrong that it was

960
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,960
necessarily reading the pilot's mind or

961
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,440
even the the computer because it would

962
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,000
have seen or noticed because these

963
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,240
objects remember were were seen for what

964
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,080
seven to fourteen days

965
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,080
hovering just all like out in the

966
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,600
distance from the nimitz and the

967
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,760
princeton so they were potentially

968
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:57,840
watching and observing and they would

969
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,559
have

970
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,799
i think learned that's a point they were

971
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,960
going to and for me it was a learned

972
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,720
behavior so i don't think and i've said

973
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,240
this there was anything inside the

974
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,600
tic-tacs

975
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,119
i reckon there are technology that's

976
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,760
some kind of ai or drone

977
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,000
and just through observations they were

978
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,240
mimicking which is why it copied favor

979
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,760
with a spiral

980
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,720
or

981
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,960
it basically was showing them

982
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,960
i i can do what you can do i've been

983
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,800
where you've been and that's that was

984
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,960
the point it was potentially making as

985
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,639
maybe it was a method of communication i

986
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,839
don't know if dan wants to comment on

987
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:31,280
that

988
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,000
yeah

989
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,599
i was going to say this is absolutely

990
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,960
something that you and i talk about

991
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:36,720
often isn't it because we we have the

992
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,440
discussion observed behavior or you know

993
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,399
is it something more uh

994
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,720
louis elizondo often talks about

995
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,399
you know to use a doctor who phrased

996
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,480
tiny why me stuff

997
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:51,040
that being inside that kind of

998
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,879
uh bubble of space time would mean that

999
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,720
relative to you the world moves by

1000
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,800
differently outside of that if i was

1001
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,880
making that technology you know i'd use

1002
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,400
that to project forward and backward and

1003
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:04,160
kind of see a long exposure of what was

1004
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:08,079
going on around me um so that you know

1005
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:08,880
the

1006
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,800
where favor was going using a method

1007
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,119
like that so it's either you know

1008
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,119
something observed and learned like andy

1009
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,960
said or it's something

1010
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,960
absolutely incredible because it's

1011
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,880
consciousness based then right well

1012
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,960
there's there's two other

1013
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,079
episodes that one is kind of less known

1014
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:31,520
and one is more known where

1015
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,680
these objects whatever they are or

1016
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:37,040
intelligence

1017
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,480
are able to read our comp top

1018
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:42,720
computer programs and the obvious the

1019
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,040
first one is the nuclear silos so

1020
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:49,200
you know you what if you heard the story

1021
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,480
from one

1022
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,280
person you you would question it rightly

1023
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,960
so you take it with a grain of salt and

1024
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,560
say as is true but when you hear that

1025
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:58,560
happen in the u.s at multiple sites and

1026
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,920
you hear it happen

1027
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,000
in great britain you know and then maybe

1028
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:04,800
overseas in other areas other countries

1029
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,280
then you start saying it was able to

1030
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,040
decipher

1031
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,440
probably you've got to assume that our

1032
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:13,680
nuclear codes are written in the most

1033
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,800
detailed hard to crack code there is

1034
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,359
right so it's able to

1035
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,599
to check that out

1036
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,240
enter that code and figure out how to to

1037
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,720
decode it or how to shut it down

1038
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,960
the there was a smaller incident that i

1039
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,119
i don't know if a lot of people saw but

1040
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,079
on the skin walker ranch episodes

1041
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,720
there's one where they see a cattle

1042
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:38,880
that that died and they go out to look

1043
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,079
at it and the security guard twice in

1044
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,320
two episodes he holds out his iphone

1045
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,760
which was locked now

1046
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,640
the cia and fbi have not been able to

1047
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,880
uncrack

1048
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,119
an iphone

1049
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:56,400
yet his was locked and in two separate

1050
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:57,839
episodes

1051
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,440
it was opened and you could see

1052
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,599
it skipping through all sorts of of

1053
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,240
computer programs so

1054
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,400
you know some something else was

1055
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,800
controlling it and so in my eyes i'm

1056
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,119
looking at again you see one episode you

1057
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:15,280
question it but you see

1058
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,560
you look at how

1059
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:19,119
this was able to open an iphone twice on

1060
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:20,320
camera

1061
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,640
open able to access nuclear codes

1062
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,839
remotely

1063
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,000
and the third and again you said it

1064
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:30,000
could be a learned behavior but you

1065
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:31,040
can't

1066
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:32,079
any

1067
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,839
naval aircraft is gonna have again

1068
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,680
top-notch you know security so you can't

1069
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:40,000
crack their their codes and

1070
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:41,520
it leads me to believe this thing's

1071
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,560
reading and able to read

1072
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,640
our top code and you would kind of think

1073
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,839
that would make sense but it's

1074
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,280
remarkable we're kind of in the realm of

1075
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,320
quantum computing here right like

1076
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,200
what is crazy advanced to us seems super

1077
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,760
easy to them and if we can you know make

1078
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,000
a quantum computer that is usable for

1079
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:04,320
everyday tasks then it's going to be

1080
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,440
able to compute all these different

1081
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,079
possibilities a lot faster than than any

1082
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:10,400
other computer you know

1083
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,760
like you say

1084
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,960
those ships would have been using the

1085
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,200
highest encryption possible but once we

1086
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,599
get quantum computing that encryption is

1087
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:19,200
child's play to it

1088
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,640
so there's definitely something like

1089
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,320
that going on the

1090
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,839
it's interesting you bring up the ghost

1091
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,119
touch thing because i used to work for

1092
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,839
apple and i've seen so many broken

1093
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,440
iphones and so many different

1094
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,440
permutations of them that i feel like i

1095
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,200
have a really informed take on the ghost

1096
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,200
touch stuff ghost touch is something

1097
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,440
that we see but

1098
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,119
it doesn't look anything like that when

1099
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,760
it happens normally it's the occasional

1100
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,520
touch randomly on the screen people will

1101
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,359
be using their devices and maybe it'll

1102
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:46,960
hit a different letter or something like

1103
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,359
that um especially when it's a crack

1104
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,839
screen and caleb's screen was cracked

1105
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,960
but

1106
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,359
with this the phone you know you can get

1107
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,680
electromagnetic interference the chances

1108
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:59,440
of getting electromagnetic interference

1109
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,400
that hit

1110
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,800
you know four or more points in the

1111
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,560
correct order to guess his password and

1112
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,640
get into the phone that's mind-blowing

1113
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,320
to me and you're absolutely right to

1114
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:11,200
pick up on that because yeah there's

1115
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,560
it's not just

1116
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,400
random interference at that point

1117
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,760
there's an actual

1118
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,280
you know

1119
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,320
direction to get into the phone

1120
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:21,920
so if you don't mind i've

1121
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:24,880
the last question is it's regarding the

1122
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,320
the crop circles which again

1123
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,920
never was a believer

1124
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,079
um you start seeing one or two and i

1125
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:34,800
understand you can't conflate you know

1126
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,680
somebody that's doing it as a hoax with

1127
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,680
what actually is happening

1128
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,800
and you look at the geometric patterns

1129
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,480
there is a video i was wondering if if

1130
00:39:47,710 --> 00:39:46,000
there's any truth to i think the guy's

1131
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:47,720
name was john whaley it might have been

1132
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,720
1996 where he he there's an

1133
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,400
it's on video

1134
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,160
is that was that it was said it was a

1135
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:56,079
hoax and then it said it wasn't but if

1136
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,760
that's actually you would think people

1137
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,040
would

1138
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,200
i mean some of these are just too

1139
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:03,520
remarkable

1140
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:06,560
to think it's it's not coming from it's

1141
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:11,440
not being it's not man-made it can't be

1142
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:14,800
the patterns are remarkable um is there

1143
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,319
any truth to the whaley incident if you

1144
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,319
know about it where it was caught on

1145
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,040
video is that a hoax

1146
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,880
and some of the coding that you've seen

1147
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,240
there's been a couple patterns where

1148
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,079
they said hey this is there's a sign

1149
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,920
there's you know here's a pattern of an

1150
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,079
alien or whatever do we think these are

1151
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,400
real do we think they're signs or

1152
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,800
messages or and i'll let you tell me

1153
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,560
what you know because i'm just

1154
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,920
learning about it and it seems

1155
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:41,359
remarkable

1156
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,319
so

1157
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:44,240
i would say that there are a lot of

1158
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,359
hoaxes

1159
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,880
in terms of crop circles you know people

1160
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,640
make them and they're done as marketing

1161
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,119
kind of things but when you look into it

1162
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,800
you you find out that they're very

1163
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,319
different to the ones that people find

1164
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:56,000
in fields randomly overnight you know

1165
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,440
like the stalks are bent differently in

1166
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,599
a way that we can't really do to do it

1167
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,440
in that way it takes us a lot longer

1168
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,359
than one night um

1169
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,680
and no matter if they and this is one of

1170
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:07,680
the things i love about crop circles no

1171
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,560
matter if they're made by hoaxes uh you

1172
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,119
know man-made or if they're

1173
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,280
supposedly naturally formed

1174
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,760
they always have weird magnetic effects

1175
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,520
in them so

1176
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,359
it's interesting right because it it's

1177
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,440
almost like something showed us a few of

1178
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:25,040
them and now people are mimicking them

1179
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,560
and finding out that they can generate

1180
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,160
these weird effects on batteries and

1181
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,079
electronics within them

1182
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,800
by using these shapes so there seems to

1183
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:35,040
be a little almost a nudge to kind of

1184
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,480
show us something

1185
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,800
i think phil my big interest in crop

1186
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,560
circles is dan's totally right there's a

1187
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,040
lot of them that are extremely complex

1188
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,119
that have still been shown to be hoxies

1189
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,200
and they're made generally quite simply

1190
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,280
but they still look incredible but it's

1191
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:51,920
the ones where the the stocks are bent

1192
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:54,720
at such an extreme angle and the inside

1193
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,599
of the stock the the joints and the the

1194
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,319
seeds if they're called seeds are burst

1195
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,720
with like microwave energy

1196
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,119
and the stock itself is like untouched

1197
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,880
and it just it would take

1198
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,160
thousands of

1199
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,480
of hours for someone to even attempt to

1200
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,240
do that and you couldn't do it with the

1201
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,720
precision that that's happening so it's

1202
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,040
those ones for me particularly that are

1203
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,960
pretty incredible not the ones that look

1204
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,800
good but yeah they're probably made by a

1205
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,960
couple of guys and out with the torch on

1206
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,960
the helmet and the paddle boards but

1207
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,480
there are some

1208
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,400
points of reference for the really truly

1209
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,319
anomalous ones like that kind of

1210
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,200
surgical position that for me makes them

1211
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,119
definitely worthy of study and i think

1212
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,720
it's an area that's

1213
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,480
it's probably one of the oldest ones in

1214
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,720
ufology that it's

1215
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,880
it's poo pooed and seen as it's a bit

1216
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,440
crazy and yeah crop circles why the why

1217
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,440
is something that's still fascinating

1218
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:48,960
but it's it's probably one that's

1219
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,920
understudied if anything for me

1220
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,400
well i i agree with you because once you

1221
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,640
look into it again it's the same thing

1222
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,960
with the decoding you see it happen once

1223
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,560
you act you say what take away the grain

1224
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,400
of salt you say nuclear silo is turned

1225
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,319
off you say okay but when it happens in

1226
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,240
more than one place it happens numerous

1227
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,640
times things that are not

1228
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,240
logically

1229
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,400
possible to do you start buying into it

1230
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,839
so the final question i'm gonna let you

1231
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,240
guys take it

1232
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,040
again two years ago i just thought this

1233
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,119
was crazy talk

1234
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,040
never heard of a cattle mutilation now

1235
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:25,760
you look at you say it's not possible to

1236
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,640
drain the blood it's not possible

1237
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,119
i think russ coldhardt said there was 50

1238
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,599
000 reported

1239
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,520
to the fbi

1240
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,359
so you look at these things and i look

1241
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,560
at the three so my question to you is

1242
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,359
i'm i'm kind of a normal guy family guy

1243
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,880
three kids

1244
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,640
you know run a hedge fund i mean i'm a

1245
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,560
boring kind of person

1246
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,800
and i'm not i've never been in this and

1247
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,720
now guys like me are kind of getting

1248
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,480
roped in because you're doing the

1249
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,880
research you guys are leading it and i

1250
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:59,280
got to tell you your show is excellent

1251
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,560
but you're doing the research you're

1252
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,400
getting you're reaching out to people

1253
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,240
like us that were never involved in the

1254
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,839
first place

1255
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,119
the question is

1256
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:09,680
why do you think

1257
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,280
it's not on the front page

1258
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:15,920
of the new york times why isn't

1259
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:19,359
somebody going out and saying guys this

1260
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,560
is real

1261
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,760
this is the biggest story in the world i

1262
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,160
do hear some people say that

1263
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,599
but it really is if this is true which i

1264
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,119
am a i'm

1265
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:32,720
i'm sorry i went down the rabbit hole

1266
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,000
and now i'm lost you know

1267
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,680
i'm going down all these paths i'm like

1268
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,079
wait a minute this is real and and it's

1269
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,880
not fabricated why isn't this front page

1270
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,839
news

1271
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,680
so so my opinion fell on that would be

1272
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,560
obviously in 2017 it was in december

1273
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,640
2017 front page news on the new york

1274
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,119
times that was just the admission of the

1275
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,599
the atip program the us government ran a

1276
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,599
ufo program and it had an interest in

1277
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:58,880
ufos

1278
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,000
the issue going forward has been

1279
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,640
that the conversation to go forward you

1280
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,640
then have to start printing

1281
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,240
a little bit more speculation

1282
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,480
potentially where you do have to start

1283
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:12,319
mentioning

1284
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,200
et or alien or flying saucers and the

1285
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,119
public just still have a huge stigma to

1286
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,359
that sort of language so that we've had

1287
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,319
that initial article uh from leslie kane

1288
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,800
um helene cooper and ralph blumenthal

1289
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,319
that was all about atep the us

1290
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,240
government it was all like you said

1291
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,040
science-based data based fact based

1292
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,960
and going forward we've had the 60

1293
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,400
minutes piece and we've had these kind

1294
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,880
of big documentaries it's the moving

1295
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,480
forward that the next steps of the

1296
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,880
conversation where louis lozando has

1297
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:44,880
started talking now about biological

1298
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,599
effects and you know consciousness

1299
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,440
starts to come into it that's the kind

1300
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,880
of stuff that when you put that in front

1301
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,839
of a news editor a serious publication

1302
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,680
they don't want to know

1303
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,880
because they don't think it's going to

1304
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,280
sell newspapers or get the clicks they

1305
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,440
want it's just a conversation i don't

1306
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,440
think the general public are necessarily

1307
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,400
ready for what i think is helping is i

1308
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,319
mean never mind this podcast or any

1309
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,920
other channel out there just now but

1310
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,680
when you get someone like chris mellon

1311
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,400
or louis elizondo on joe organ

1312
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,240
it's not a ufo podcast but it gets two

1313
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,160
or three million downloads an episode

1314
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,000
that gets out to a huge portion of the

1315
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:22,319
public same with sam harris two million

1316
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,119
youtube followers talking about ufos it

1317
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,880
gets out to that portion of the public

1318
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,520
and like you say normal everyday working

1319
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,000
people like yourself and ourselves start

1320
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,760
to get more involved in the conversation

1321
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,520
because they hear people talking about

1322
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,800
it that don't normally and i think that

1323
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,319
for me is something myself and dana

1324
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,280
spoke about ad nauseam off the air as

1325
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:44,720
that's the next step for this

1326
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,440
conversation is getting those people

1327
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,359
involved and i've said the name so many

1328
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,599
times but if someone like neil degrasse

1329
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:53,760
tyson would start sitting on serious

1330
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,800
news shows and debating do you know what

1331
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,880
let's take a look at this again i think

1332
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,280
for me that starts to bring in hundreds

1333
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:03,040
of thousands of more eyes and that's

1334
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,560
when you start to get the more serious

1335
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,520
news broadcasts picking this up more and

1336
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,040
getting on the front page of those big

1337
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,960
newspapers as well

1338
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:13,280
i i don't see how anybody that's a

1339
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:16,960
logical i was a math major um

1340
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,839
you know so logic based right um

1341
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,079
engineers

1342
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,640
it breaks the common sense

1343
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,000
of what these things are doing so i

1344
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,240
think that's the purpose that's the

1345
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,480
problem because your brain doesn't grasp

1346
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,920
it

1347
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,400
but if you do the homework

1348
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,640
and you look into and you you push aside

1349
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,480
some of the the

1350
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,559
the strangeness of the people that you

1351
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:42,960
know are a little bit nuts and you go

1352
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:45,599
down to the ra rational common sense

1353
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,559
people

1354
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:49,040
the facts don't really lie

1355
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,839
um and they

1356
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,119
repeat and they repeat and the

1357
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,680
strangeness repeats in different forms

1358
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:58,079
and i just um i've taken up more than my

1359
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,200
time

1360
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,520
i appreciate it you guys are great keep

1361
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:03,359
keep it factual keep it honest you guys

1362
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,720
are awesome

1363
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,000
thank you phil really i appreciate your

1364
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,920
time you guys are great thank you and

1365
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,520
and just quickly before you go i just

1366
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,359
wanted to say welcome to the field we're

1367
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,880
going to be seeing a lot of new faces as

1368
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,040
this subject grows and and if we all do

1369
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,839
our job it no longer belongs to ufology

1370
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,000
i'm doing it in rabbit ears it's just a

1371
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,910
next up we are staying stateside and

1372
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,079
we're going to katie in los angeles

1373
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,160
katie welcome to the podcast

1374
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,319
hello thank you for having me

1375
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,079
absolute pleasure thank you for calling

1376
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,800
in uh katie now i just told you before

1377
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,559
we started recording i think dan's going

1378
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,079
to enjoy this you were looking to talk

1379
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,280
about the the idea of human dna or

1380
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,440
genetics getting some sort of boost

1381
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,160
around 70 000 years ago and then also

1382
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,920
something about experiencers and

1383
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,480
insectoids as well so listen the floor

1384
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:55,040
is yours on you go

1385
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,240
well um i just want to say first thank

1386
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:00,640
you guys for doing what you do i think

1387
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:04,800
it's awesome and thanks for having me on

1388
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,920
i just wanted to say that like a lot of

1389
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:10,240
people i was really fascinated by what

1390
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,040
lou said about 70 000 years ago

1391
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:15,760
something changed and

1392
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,160
what if we got a genetic boost

1393
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,000
and then you guys actually brought it up

1394
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,319
on your breakdown

1395
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,000
uh when you said

1396
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,960
what if humans aren't the first species

1397
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:28,800
that might have been

1398
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,760
a genetically boosted in the past

1399
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,319
what if they tried it on other

1400
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,559
species what if it didn't work out and

1401
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,520
then i was listening to the experiencers

1402
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,520
that you had on which was

1403
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,680
devastating and fascinating at the same

1404
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:45,040
time

1405
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,160
and

1406
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,440
you know many of them mention insectoid

1407
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,839
beings that are telepathic and i was

1408
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:53,599
just thinking

1409
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:54,800
what if

1410
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,160
they did try a genetic boost on other

1411
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,480
species and

1412
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,640
what if it actually wasn't in our

1413
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,800
reality or our world but maybe in like a

1414
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:06,559
parallel

1415
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,599
sort of universe and

1416
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,559
insects have been around for

1417
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:14,960
way longer than we have so it's possible

1418
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,760
they have like a 300 million

1419
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:19,440
uh you know

1420
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,400
um

1421
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,880
they're 300 million years ahead of us in

1422
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,440
that reality and i just wanted to know

1423
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:27,040
what your take on something like that

1424
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,720
would be if that's too crazy or or what

1425
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,240
dan let me kick off because i know

1426
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:33,680
you're going to bring in the good stuff

1427
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,800
um so i i think like you say katie even

1428
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,559
mentioned like if something had a 300

1429
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,520
million years head start i i brought up

1430
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,599
recently that i noticed

1431
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,359
in a few different interviews louie

1432
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:47,200
elizondo mentioned about what if

1433
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,640
something was or we had this

1434
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,640
conversation but you were five minutes

1435
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,760
from now

1436
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,839
and how that might look and jacques

1437
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,440
vallee when he was interviewed by george

1438
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:57,359
knapp a couple of weeks ago also

1439
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,559
mentioned what about another

1440
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,960
civilization that was five minutes ahead

1441
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,240
now maybe they were just picking a

1442
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,480
random amount of time but they've both

1443
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,079
said five minutes and i've heard that in

1444
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,720
various other places as well so

1445
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,839
like you mentioned it's really

1446
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,520
interesting that what if

1447
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,000
parallel to our reality our universe our

1448
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,839
dimension whatever you want to label it

1449
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:16,720
as

1450
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:21,680
created or whatever happened some

1451
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,319
insectoid race or whatever it might be

1452
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,920
and they just had a five minutes head

1453
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,520
start

1454
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,119
they're five minutes ahead in some way

1455
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,200
but maybe they experience time in that

1456
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:33,200
different way dan refers to it as that

1457
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:36,319
long exposure or just how their time

1458
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,359
works five minutes here as as ten

1459
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,920
minutes there so they potentially get

1460
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,160
that longer time so it doesn't even

1461
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,680
necessarily have to be hundreds of

1462
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:47,200
millions of years in advance it could

1463
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,640
have just been that

1464
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,880
something at some point was different

1465
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,800
and it took them down a r they've got

1466
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,720
the technology and the the state of

1467
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,160
consciousness the evolution that they

1468
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,800
have now that's just a thought not to

1469
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,720
say that's concrete or anything but dad

1470
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,000
might want to come back no you said it

1471
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,480
now that's on the record

1472
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,800
i can edit

1473
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,359
uh yeah i i love the idea um insect

1474
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,240
zoids get mentioned a lot there was

1475
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,920
they were a big part of the secret

1476
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,559
machine series the ttsa did referred to

1477
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,640
as kind of the hive and you know bumble

1478
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,319
bees were kind of brought into it so

1479
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,760
insects are something that i've got my

1480
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,480
eye on in kind of that way and it

1481
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,800
fascinates me that when you

1482
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,000
you know when you're trying to swat a

1483
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,240
fly or something like that it can move

1484
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,480
out the way of you you know pretty

1485
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,640
easily because it's experiencing time

1486
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,400
differently to what you're experiencing

1487
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,559
when you're trying to swat it so

1488
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,040
it lends itself well to the idea that

1489
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,440
something developed and just experiences

1490
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,440
time differently to us you know it it

1491
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,440
sounds crazy when you say it like that

1492
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,599
but scientifically this is this is what

1493
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,359
they do this is how they avoid us this

1494
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,359
is how they experience the world we have

1495
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,960
the opposite when you look at a plant

1496
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:56,880
and you see it reacting to light you

1497
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,160
know it's a biological process still and

1498
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:01,839
just like when we make memories it's a

1499
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,319
quantum process so

1500
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:06,880
you know it stands to reason that

1501
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,200
things plug into those processes in all

1502
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,599
kinds of different ways

1503
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,280
we know stuff is weird down at those

1504
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,559
levels as well

1505
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,240
um and

1506
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,839
we we'd love to kind of you know make

1507
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:20,480
the the effects that are experienced

1508
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,440
there

1509
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:24,000
uh they say micro made macro effects it

1510
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,440
just means you know something small made

1511
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,559
something universalized that's it um but

1512
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:29,680
if we could

1513
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:32,079
manipulate that

1514
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,160
it it you know we could do anything so

1515
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,040
it makes me think of how insects

1516
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,200
use frequency to signal each other you

1517
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,680
know there's mimicry mimicry in nature

1518
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,160
um and insects will also kind of beat

1519
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,640
their legs to create certain sounds and

1520
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:50,800
it was mentioned in a valet paper in a

1521
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:53,760
davis paper where they talk about

1522
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,960
how a particular kind of wasp could make

1523
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,280
another species think it was something

1524
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,359
entirely different just by beating its

1525
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,800
wings differently

1526
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,640
so it's kind of like hiding in plain

1527
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,880
sight and it made me think wow that's

1528
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,480
super interesting if something could

1529
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:10,559
kind of signal us in that way

1530
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,440
um

1531
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,839
you know it could avoid detection we'd

1532
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,000
see it as it could be something that's

1533
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,319
not a ufo that we see as a ufo when it

1534
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,240
kind of beats its wings in that way for

1535
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,119
example um yeah i love the idea i think

1536
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,119
it's absolutely fascinating

1537
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:27,280
right yeah that's really interesting uh

1538
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,079
with sort of almost like the camouflage

1539
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,960
or whatever and i was thinking

1540
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:33,760
uh

1541
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:36,720
i was thinking the 300 million years and

1542
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,839
i know it's lou alluded to the whole

1543
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:41,359
time thing and his

1544
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,799
uh

1545
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:45,359
analogy with the cigarette i think about

1546
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:49,040
how you know it might burn differently

1547
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,079
and

1548
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,000
i was thinking because dan i think you

1549
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:55,119
brought it up in the breakdown about

1550
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,440
uh size and these insectoids seem to be

1551
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,400
large when they appear to people or at

1552
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,960
least maybe like our size

1553
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,640
so that's why i was thinking maybe it

1554
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:09,200
was like somewhere in the evolution

1555
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,160
um

1556
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,240
that they were bigger

1557
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,040
or like you said maybe it's

1558
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,359
just i don't know some kind of flip like

1559
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:19,920
on the quantum realm or something like

1560
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,789
yeah i just want to ask katie a question

1561
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,880
do you think then if if we've got like

1562
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:28,640
these different realities or universes

1563
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,359
running alongside is something still in

1564
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,920
control of all of that or is it a pure

1565
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,760
random process that different

1566
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,440
universities have

1567
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,920
humans evolving others have insectoids

1568
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,480
evolving something else has some kind of

1569
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,880
light or you know being of energy

1570
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,119
evolving do you think something is that

1571
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,040
maybe that zookeeper or simulation type

1572
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,520
analogy can i get in that

1573
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,359
yeah i guess that's the question isn't

1574
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:56,079
it is whether it's being intelligently

1575
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,280
controlled

1576
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,359
i think more and more every day maybe

1577
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,280
we're in a simulation

1578
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:03,359
just because of how things

1579
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:08,079
pan out and if something if some beings

1580
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,000
gave some genetic boost to species then

1581
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:14,960
they are sort of in control in a way

1582
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,319
but i mean i just don't know

1583
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,319
the way i've said i think dan sorry just

1584
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,000
before you come in

1585
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,160
if if you played sim city or roller

1586
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,960
coaster tycoon or some hospital any of

1587
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,640
those games when you were younger

1588
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,079
normally you start off with the best

1589
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:32,160
intentions things go really well and

1590
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,680
then you get kind of bored as it gets

1591
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,720
more complicated and you leave it

1592
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,240
but then you go back to it like a few

1593
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,319
weeks later and check your saved game

1594
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,839
and the whole city's in chaos

1595
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,200
everything's breaking down it's going

1596
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,359
really badly and i just wonder are we at

1597
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,359
that point in any potential simulation

1598
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,440
where something's let it go too long and

1599
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:50,880
they're just coming back now to look at

1600
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,839
it and going uh yeah this this hasn't

1601
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,079
went well

1602
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,839
yeah i could totally see that i was

1603
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,599
thinking too if if

1604
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,079
maybe the humans in the future are in

1605
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,319
charge of the simulation it seems like

1606
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:06,240
things would end up how they are just

1607
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,430
yeah absolutely it would uh it would be

1608
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,040
more entertaining for them in that way

1609
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:17,200
for sure um i was just gonna say about

1610
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,559
andy's question about whether it's

1611
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,400
random or not that i think that's kind

1612
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,880
of a misnomer because it suggests that

1613
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:24,720
nature is random and nature is not

1614
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:27,680
random it you know it blows a vacuum

1615
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,200
we know or we rather we have an idea of

1616
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:33,040
the conditions that nature moves towards

1617
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:34,400
which is

1618
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:35,280
you know

1619
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,240
that

1620
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,640
we we would eat and hunt try and survive

1621
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,960
and other things do too we're now

1622
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,480
starting to realize when we study the

1623
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,160
animal kingdom that actually or sorry

1624
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:45,920
not just the animal kingdom but life

1625
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,559
aside from myself that collaboration is

1626
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,400
actually kind of built into this process

1627
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,880
of evolution and nature favors species

1628
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,160
that collaborate which i think is

1629
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,079
amazing because for the longest time

1630
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,240
we've thought of you know alphas and

1631
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,160
it's not really the case that there's an

1632
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,079
alpha it's more that everything tries to

1633
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:04,160
get along so that in itself is a

1634
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,119
paradigm shift that would lend very well

1635
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,280
to us coexisting with another species

1636
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:11,359
whether they're here or not or yet to be

1637
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,000
contacted but it makes me think of the

1638
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:16,480
process of evolution itself is what

1639
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:19,680
people refer to as god um and and

1640
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:20,640
it's

1641
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,280
creative process and i wonder if you

1642
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:27,520
know creativity and imagination isn't

1643
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,040
the ending of the whole thing we're in

1644
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,960
yeah i was wondering that too and also

1645
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,799
wondering if

1646
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,720
if these beings

1647
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:38,480
or whoever

1648
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:39,440
these

1649
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,760
people are mankinds who are

1650
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:45,440
messing with things genetically what if

1651
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:46,559
they could

1652
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,520
engineer like energy to be intelligent

1653
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,720
and

1654
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,799
that's what ghosts are

1655
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,799
i mean i don't know it would be kind of

1656
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,920
crazy

1657
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,319
yeah i mean i i love it you know

1658
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,520
we years ago i always think of i forget

1659
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,359
the name of the effect now but basically

1660
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,799
up in the scottish islands people used

1661
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,640
to say that they saw angels and that you

1662
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,119
could go out on a kind of foggy day and

1663
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,720
you'd wander in the hills and you would

1664
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:12,240
see your higher self and they would give

1665
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,559
you advice so and so forth now we know

1666
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,640
that because of the way that the sun

1667
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,799
refracts in the ice crystals

1668
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,640
it will make a shadow of you in a

1669
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,400
direction that you don't think your

1670
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,760
shadow should be

1671
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,079
and it just kind of creates a halo of

1672
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,480
light around the head of the shadow so

1673
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,040
that kind of natural process

1674
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,920
is you know once it was myth and kind of

1675
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,520
a ghost story

1676
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,520
but now we understand it fully and i

1677
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:39,119
think we're going to move that way with

1678
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,720
the phenomena and everything to do with

1679
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,799
it because kind of poltergeist activity

1680
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,640
and that kind of stuff is wrapped up

1681
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:46,960
with all of this other stuff that we

1682
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:50,720
have um so so i i feel like

1683
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:53,200
this is a path that leads to us you know

1684
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,240
understanding what a ghost is and you

1685
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,680
know in 100 years they'll look back on

1686
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,319
us and go they call them what

1687
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,319
katie will have to wrap it up as dan

1688
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,400
discredit scottish angels i don't think

1689
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,160
we're going to go in that direction but

1690
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,920
uh listen it's been great talking to you

1691
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,240
and i do hope you caught one again okay

1692
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,720
sure thanks for having me

1693
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,720
and final call in keeping with the

1694
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:16,559
international flavor we've had for this

1695
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,680
part one we have eric and peter they are

1696
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,680
based in sweden i think both in

1697
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:24,240
stockholm would that be correct or

1698
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:26,839
yeah stockholm area yeah

1699
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:30,240
um my name is actually

1700
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:33,119
eric thomas so my friends call me thomas

1701
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,160
but uh i i've started using my initials

1702
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:38,400
because it's e.t person

1703
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,960
yeah i i i know i noticed that on the

1704
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,960
emails the et and then i noticed in a

1705
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,640
show so yeah we'll go with thomas thank

1706
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:46,160
you and we've got peter and they are

1707
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,520
from the swedish ufo podcast ufo beyond

1708
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,559
reasonable doubt uh which is translated

1709
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,240
into english obviously do you want to

1710
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,000
try to pronounce that again for us for

1711
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:58,079
the listeners what it's in swedish

1712
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,680
are you talking to damn

1713
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,440
no we'll go with you

1714
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:02,960
if you want people to understand it i

1715
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,789
but yeah but no one is going to

1716
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:10,079
understand that but it's beyond

1717
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,920
reasonable doubt but in swedish so

1718
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,839
that's that's what we're called

1719
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,680
very nice well what um the floor is

1720
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,760
yours what do you want to talk about

1721
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,599
i've been kind of my head is full of

1722
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:21,839
roswell at the moment we're gonna do a

1723
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:23,599
several part uh

1724
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:26,640
series on the roswell incident because

1725
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,760
it's the granddaddy of ufo cases i would

1726
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,119
say

1727
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:33,119
i don't know but you guys have you uh

1728
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,880
are you into the roswell incident

1729
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,559
anything

1730
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:38,480
absolutely yeah it's one of those i

1731
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:40,240
think that you get into especially when

1732
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,400
you you start off on the subject it's

1733
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:44,559
the first one and if you're not involved

1734
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:45,920
in the subject and you're just one of

1735
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:48,160
the general public who who don't even

1736
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:50,319
have a passing interest you you know

1737
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:51,920
about roswell if someone mentions

1738
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,920
roswell it's you know oh that's where

1739
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:55,760
the aliens crashed or the flying saucer

1740
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,000
crashed so yeah it's it's one of those

1741
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,039
that it's it's been a long time i i've

1742
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:03,520
said personally i like a lot of the

1743
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:06,160
newer cases because i suppose we have

1744
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:09,200
more data more hard evidence there's

1745
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,880
more witnesses that are still alive

1746
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,880
which is always a benefit

1747
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:15,359
roswell is is one of those that as the

1748
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,799
years pass by

1749
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,039
it becomes more and more myth

1750
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,720
but it's it's

1751
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,480
something always still seems to come up

1752
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:24,400
from roswell and even after all these

1753
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,200
years there's a lot of uh human aspects

1754
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,280
a lot of human stories to roswell as

1755
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:31,920
well because it's so many people and so

1756
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:35,520
much research done so it's kind of these

1757
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:36,400
uh

1758
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,640
that's that's really interesting too but

1759
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:44,640
of course the nimitz incident is kind of

1760
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:45,359
a

1761
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,480
but uh

1762
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:54,079
um

1763
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:57,039
roswell is i think it's the it's still

1764
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,200
nothing like the roswell case in my mind

1765
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:03,039
did you hear about uh did you hear about

1766
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:04,319
uh

1767
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:10,240
personal opinion on the russell incident

1768
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:13,119
yeah it was that's the 100 percent yeah

1769
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,160
yeah

1770
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:17,440
100 on what though is that

1771
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,359
something happened in roswell because i

1772
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:21,520
think everyone can agree on that yeah i

1773
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,200
suppose he's not going to go into detail

1774
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,680
on it was 100 percent alien bodies in

1775
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,880
the crash and

1776
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:28,559
now people can kind of take their own

1777
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,839
story from it you know like if you're

1778
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,400
listening to that from like andy says it

1779
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,559
could be 100 that something happened it

1780
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:36,319
could be a hundred percent that there

1781
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,200
was an et crash it could be 100 that

1782
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,119
you know the the other story put forward

1783
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:43,039
was that it was children suffering

1784
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,640
progenitor

1785
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,559
i forget the name of the disease now but

1786
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:48,240
basically it you know made them look

1787
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:50,000
very alien to the people that would have

1788
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:52,000
approached the balloon they were said to

1789
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,359
be riding on

1790
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,440
which is a crazy story anyway but you

1791
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:57,599
know that's

1792
01:04:10,470 --> 01:03:59,039
yeah

1793
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,480
follow lou elisando's uh

1794
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:12,720
interviews as close as we do

1795
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:14,960
so i mean

1796
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,720
you know what he means when he says a

1797
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:18,720
hundred percent

1798
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:21,599
it he he isn't talking about something

1799
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:23,920
crashed right

1800
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:26,559
yeah for me if i had to dig into it i

1801
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:28,160
think lew's getting at yeah something

1802
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,079
crashed that wasn't human

1803
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,400
at least that much um i think it's one

1804
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,400
of those the details behind that of

1805
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,240
number of bodies is always rumored to be

1806
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,559
what three two died at the crash site

1807
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,720
one was alive and then the various

1808
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,200
rumors split off again of one continued

1809
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,920
to live or died shortly thereafter

1810
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,440
and then there's always rumors of a

1811
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:49,920
second crash andy you're being offensive

1812
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,240
use their names she was called

1813
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,559
that'll just sound swedish

1814
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:58,240
but yeah and that's it there's just

1815
01:05:02,230 --> 01:04:59,839
various aspects of the story that

1816
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,240
branches off to well this is what some

1817
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,319
believe this is what others believe but

1818
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,079
yeah you would think someone in lowe's

1819
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,240
position would have at least heard

1820
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:10,240
enough to know that yeah we recovered

1821
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,319
something and it wasn't human and that

1822
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:14,640
was the the birth of modern ufology i

1823
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,680
suppose oh yeah didn't eric davis also

1824
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:19,280
confirmed some

1825
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,160
kind of somewhere

1826
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,640
yeah he's alluded to it and i think

1827
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:26,880
around the same time that was when tim

1828
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:28,799
mcmillan shared that little tidbit that

1829
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,720
he'd kind of heard and he went to length

1830
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,079
to kind of emphasize it was something

1831
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,839
he'd heard he hadn't seen any proof of

1832
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,559
it but you know the story was that

1833
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,119
the the recovered material

1834
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:41,359
was something you know

1835
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:44,480
a lot stranger than any of us think it

1836
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,000
is

1837
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,000
which was interesting because what what

1838
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:50,640
is more strange than you know we we

1839
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:52,880
all talk everything from angels to

1840
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,280
interdimensional creatures to you know

1841
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,039
just plain old oh life from another

1842
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:59,359
planet crash that you know so so much

1843
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:00,880
variation what we talk about that that's

1844
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,440
the boring option so to think okay well

1845
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:05,520
what's stranger than all of that

1846
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,950
i know a stranger would be

1847
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:15,440
i would be really really surprised if it

1848
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:16,720
was a

1849
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,240
balloon that would surprise me

1850
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:22,960
but it wouldn't class as stranger right

1851
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:25,920
no no no but it was surprised me more

1852
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:27,839
i'd say

1853
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:30,160
i'm right also um thomas you wanted to

1854
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:33,599
mention the the welsh uh pentrick

1855
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:40,789
i i've been checking around a bit about

1856
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:43,280
that incident but uh

1857
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:44,720
yeah

1858
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:48,640
how what what's your guys opinion on the

1859
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:50,960
credibility of the

1860
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,000
zero okay

1861
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:56,160
credibility yeah

1862
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:58,640
it's one of those cases where there's a

1863
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:01,599
lot of paperwork surrounding it that

1864
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:04,000
suggests it's the more prosaic thing but

1865
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:05,920
i find that when people start digging

1866
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:07,119
into it the

1867
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:10,079
the story is so

1868
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:11,119
you know

1869
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:12,480
kaz experienced something that she

1870
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,599
didn't understand and i'm sure i would

1871
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:17,119
have the same reaction if i was caught

1872
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:19,119
in the middle in the middle of a

1873
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,960
british military exercise you know um

1874
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:23,920
but

1875
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,240
because of the way she she presents that

1876
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:28,480
story you know it absolutely did happen

1877
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:30,079
to her so

1878
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:31,520
the story of you know there were these

1879
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,559
big lights and i didn't know what they

1880
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,640
were and you know all the details of

1881
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:36,720
that

1882
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:37,839
it's

1883
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:40,079
when she tells it it comes across as

1884
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,000
genuine because she did have that

1885
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:43,920
experience but like i say when you

1886
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,000
actually go looking you can find the the

1887
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:48,559
notice that the event was going to be

1888
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:51,839
taking place and um graham randall uh

1889
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:55,119
i'd suggest uh it's at borders uh 570 or

1890
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:58,640
47 750. so oh border 750 there you go

1891
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,520
yeah that's right um i'd recommend give

1892
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:03,440
give him a ping on twitter because he

1893
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:05,839
he's kind of the paperwork guy in our

1894
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,240
uap media group uh vinnie is hot on his

1895
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:10,720
heels and dave too um

1896
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:14,720
but he he will extensively give a a

1897
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,520
rounded explanation as to why it's

1898
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:20,400
something prosaic okay

1899
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:22,480
there's a lot to it as well and again

1900
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,400
it's not to try and discredit or poo poo

1901
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,239
someone's experience but

1902
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:30,480
i think kaz's story sounds very well

1903
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,279
rehearsed at this point and also the

1904
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:35,520
fact that she had claimed to have had no

1905
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,640
interest in ufos before the event yet

1906
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:40,480
some people checked out her own private

1907
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:42,960
facebook page which before the event

1908
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:44,719
happened she was a member of various

1909
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,239
pages alluding to ufos as well so

1910
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:50,000
there's just plenty in it that doesn't

1911
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:53,040
add up to being anything in congruency

1912
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:56,159
i've heard i've heard rumors about uh

1913
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,600
such

1914
01:09:02,149 --> 01:08:59,759
information but um but it's a good thing

1915
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,159
to bring up because

1916
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,480
at no point here you know even though

1917
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,239
kaz has told the story a bunch of times

1918
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,080
she did have that experience and she's

1919
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not lying from her point of view you

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know i i always find when people have

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these conversations if you say oh i

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believe it's something prosaic they'll

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call they'll say oh you saying that

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you know i'm sure you guys understand

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but i just thought i'd make the point

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because i see a lot of people in the

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community do it it's either i'm truth or

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you're liars like now there's a gray

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area in

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when it comes to witnesses you have to

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divide them

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a model from the

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uh from my work is

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if you divide the

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witnesses if you look at them and judge

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them into two

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characteristics right that one is

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credibility how how much how honest they

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are right this is easy fast explanation

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and the other part is how trustworthy

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their

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eyesight hearing

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uh is it supported by other information

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what are their education experience and

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so on so on so if you measure those

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that's

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sticks out because

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the credibility and the uh amount of

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trust you can put in their testimonies

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both were really really high

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so

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yeah and they can call on a lot of

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different data and systems that yeah we

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don't necessarily get those we've got

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the video

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but you've got highly qualified military

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personnel telling you what data they had

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and what they saw so either

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they're all lying about that

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or

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they're being honest

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for the most part and they're recalling

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what they remember happened on those

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days and that's just where the pen took

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the welsh case for me just doesn't hold

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up any any water at all but i would

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always encourage people to go and do

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their own their own research into it

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like your gents are doing

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yeah i kind of let that case go since i

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heard the rumors about

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some strange information but but what

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about the

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photos of the

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trees the trees that have been

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broken down and

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such

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is that not from the incident or is it

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yeah the the trees were from if you look

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on the map i i don't actually live too

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far from where it happened yeah and and

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if you if you look on the map

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the the forest with those photos were

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taken where the forestry commission came

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down and cut down trees that that forest

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was in a much different spot um

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you know it's

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i don't want to guess how long it would

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take to drive between it but

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there was a there was a bit of legwork

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involved to get to a different spot so i

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i almost feel like

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you know some work just happened then

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someone saw it and has linked it with

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the event when they're not necessarily

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linked i would say okay

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but something

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i mean trees don't break apart in in

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that height

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something must have

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happened at that place

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but we don't know what crashed into

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those trees exactly and and we don't we

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01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,320
don't have anyone from that you know

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01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,239
that live right by that forest but that

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01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:16,000
happened saying oh yeah ufo went and

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01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,440
crashed into there it's only the person

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from a couple of towns over saying it

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and saying well this must be that then

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it's like well it could be but

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maybe you know

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you start to stretch it but gents we'll

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have to wrap up because that's gone just

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over the time but listen um i'll put the

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link for the podcast any swedish

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01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:35,920
listeners out there looking for a

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01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:38,080
swedish language based podcast there are

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01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:40,000
not many of them out there and i would

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suggest you check out ufo beyond

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reasonable doubt or thomas if you want

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01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:46,560
to give us that one more time in swedish

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ufo e4 bottom rim retrieval or maybe we

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should get

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i'll practice for when uh for when you

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guys come back on next i don't want to

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portray

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thank you for teaching me how to say my

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surname it's very appreciated but listen

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let's keep in touch as well gents and

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let's get something special for you to

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come on and discuss some some swedish

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cases as well that would be good

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absolutely perfect

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we'll do that

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great speaking with you have a good day

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cheers

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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening please

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and again folks as always keep looking

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up you never know what you might see

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champagne

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i can't imagine how it could have been

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[Music]

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out my boys they thought this was noise

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they thought it was a dream they thought

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[Music]

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what's that

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[Music]

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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a